Recap of RHORI Reunion Part 1

Real Housewives of Rhode Island Reunion Part 1 Recap | Liz's Ambush Claims, Rosie Rumors & Reunion Chaos

The Real Housewives of Rhode Island Reunion is finally here, and Part 1 delivers plenty of drama, accusations, and unforgettable one-liners!

Join Ashley and Zoe on Housewives, Goss & Glitter as we break down everything that happened in the first installment of the RHORI reunion. We discuss Liz's intense paranoia, why she believes she was ambushed, and why we're still waiting for those voice text receipts.

Surprisingly, the ladies seem to take it easy on Ashley—but the same can't be said for Rosie. Once again, unfounded rumors are thrown her way, and now we're asking for the police reports because the receipts need to match the accusations.

Meanwhile, Rulla and Jo-Ellen have plenty to say, including throwing around words we honestly didn't think people used anymore. And perhaps the biggest question of the reunion so far... what exactly is a "slam pig"? We have thoughts, plenty of laughs, and we can't wait to see what Part 2 has in store.

If you're obsessed with Real Housewives of Rhode Island, Bravo reunions, reality TV drama, Housewives gossip, and weekly recap podcasts, this episode is for you.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hey guys, welcome to Housewives Goss and Glitter. Tonight Ashley and I are gonna go over the first part of the Royal Reunion. Um starts off a little slow, but it gets better. But we did have news that actually came out while we like right before we started filming. Dino was on the news this evening because he rejected his plea deal. Now, Ashley and I announced this in our first, very first episode before the season even officially started that Liz and Dino were like friends and he had a lot of drug pass. So, anyway, according to the news this evening, he's facing 88 years on multiple drug charges, and his plea deal was five years of probation, and he rejected it. And they are appealing some evidence and they are trying to get it taken out. So I guess we will see how that unfolds. But even his attorney was like, This has been going on for years, and it's only back up because he's been on the Real Housewives a few times this season. So I guess we'll see how it goes. But again, I don't understand why you would say no to five years probation when you're facing possible charges of up to 88 years. Like that absolutely blows my mind.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

You must be super confident because it's only five years of probation, it's not even five years inside.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

I know, it's crazy. And they even had pictures of him with the like mafia and like organized crime, and the attorney was seen on TV saying, like, organized crime is dead, it doesn't exist anymore. And it's like, okay, we can say it's dead all you want, but like there's literally pictures of him with like known drug dealers and like ping pins. So I don't know. And apparently there's some wiretap that they're trying to get removed, but I don't know. So anyway, that's an update on Dino and for Dino or Dino.

unknown 2:01

Right.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

And now we can head into uh the first part of the reunion, which was crazy. So I'll let you start on this one.

SPEAKER_02 2:11

I'll start with the fact that the only proper way to watch this is the uncensored version on Peacock. So if you're catching it live on Sunday night, you're not getting all of the jargon that we are getting uncensored on Peacock. So I would highly recommend.

SPEAKER_00 2:29

But that makes so much sense.

SPEAKER_02 2:31

It's so much better. Like it's so much better. It's like the only way to watch, my opinion. I know you're like a daily, I don't know, maybe do both. Like if you really need to like know it in the moment, but it's so much better to watch it uncensored. Yeah. The description is just very high level. The women of Rhode Island sit down with Andy Cohen to discuss their very first season. He does like a few, like, you know, he goes around to all the ladies and just says hi to them and like makes his little comment about how they all look alike. Who do we think is the best dressed? I have two faves.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

So I thought I really liked Alicia's and I really liked Ashley's. I Rula's was a little, I didn't understand the floppy sleeve thing, and Joelyn's was kind of boring. And as Liz even said, she felt very Mother of the Bride. I don't know if that's what I would wear as a Mother of the Bride, but it was weird. And none, but uh, what I noticed is that like, with the exception of Ashley's dress, I didn't think anyone else's dress actually fit appropriately when they were walking across the stage. Oh. I just thought some of them didn't fit right.

SPEAKER_02 3:43

Okay, I didn't notice that. Um, I thought my favorite dresses were Kelsey and Rosie. They were so different, but I loved them both a lot. I love those like 3D flowers on Rosie's dress, and like Kelsey's dress, I just love that sequin type. It's like liquidy, and I just thought that that looked really good. Um, I just like love Alicia and I think she looks really cute, but I like yeah, I thought the gowns on Kelsey and Rosie looked the best.

SPEAKER_00 4:20

Um I did not like Kelsey's lipstick. It looked patchy and the color wasn't right, and I feel like she could have just gone for like a light pink or a s or a gloss and would have been fine.

SPEAKER_02 4:33

Are you talking about Rosie?

SPEAKER_00 4:35

Yeah, sorry. Did I say Kelsey?

SPEAKER_02 4:36

I definitely just had like a brown. Yeah, Rosie's was like a berry, and it was really dark. It was like darker than what she normally wears. And then Liz was Mother of the Bride. I've just I just felt like it just emphasized her age difference from the cast, and I was like, do we really have to do that?

SPEAKER_00 4:57

Um, and then she was just flowing in a tunic, and it wasn't even a tunic.

SPEAKER_02 5:02

I don't it was like it had like a cape factor, but because she's so slender, it just swallowed her like completely, and it just kind of I was like an old I just felt like it was like a style that was just older. Um and I just didn't like like the c I just didn't like the color. Um, I do love how they were all in different shades of blue. That was like such an amazing idea. Yeah, it was really cute. I do think Jo Ellen verbally slayed during this, but yeah, her gown was kind of promish. I was like, they could have done something better with Joel's gown. Hers was like too promish. I liked the slip, but I was like, it's not giving me enough from a fashion standpoint. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:55

And I feel like rulas could have been so much like it just covered so much of her, and I feel like she has the body and like to do something more scandalous.

SPEAKER_02 6:07

I mean, is this Rula or is this Rula part two with a new personality and a new nose?

SPEAKER_00 6:14

I don't know. Rule law. Who knows? I don't I I'm also not a fan of the nose job either.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

It's very it's pointy. So this is like we were talking about this the other night, because like I always think about getting my nose done, but this is like this is definitely the style. I don't I don't have a better term for it. This is definitely the style of nose that I do would not want to go with with the upturned tip. You look like a Tim Burton character.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

I yeah, I wasn't, I didn't like it.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

It's like a who for it's like a who or a Tim Burton character, and I've seen that same nose again, like nose style on some of the out other like franchises, and I'm like, this is a thing, and I don't understand why. Like, if you've seen Real Housewives of Rhode Island with Jennifer Aiden, she did like the same exact thing, and she also got that nose overseas, and I'm like, is this is like a thing? This is a thing that people ask her. I don't like the upturn tip, it's just it's very pointy and cartoonish, and I'm like, wow. She looks like a who she looks like a who. I just guess I would want like a slimmer nose.

SPEAKER_00 7:27

I don't know. I thought her other nose, like her real nose, fit her face so well, and I didn't think there was anything wrong. I thought it looked good.

SPEAKER_02 7:35

I had a feeling she was gonna get a nose job because every time there's I mean, I have said this before, like I think Rula's beautiful, and she does have like big features on her face, so I thought her nose worked for her, but every single time you get somebody on the Real Housewives who does have like a like a just a bigger nose or like bigger facial features, they always get a nose job. Melissa Gorga, same thing. She was beautiful at the beginning, and she know that Melissa's daughter just got a nose job, yeah. And also Gia got a nose job, and it's like I just I'm not like again, I've thought of it for myself, but like it just it's always been a thing. And I'm like, I felt the same way about Melissa. I'm like, she was gorgeous with her original facial features, like it went with her face.

unknown 8:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 8:23

Um so anyway, that's our thoughts on Rula. But yeah, I I didn't like her gown. If that one was also kind of like I think that one was definitely Mother of the Bride. Yeah, that one was another one where I was like, this seems like an older style. I feel like it was the texture of it that I was like, oh, I don't know. Um, and then Ashley She wanted mad.

SPEAKER_00 8:45

She couldn't get mad because there was too much sleeve.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

Yeah, there was a lot. There was a lot. I thought her hair looked really nice. Yes. Um, Ashley looked very fashionable, was happy with Ashley's look. Um, yes, she's definitely like she had this looked like her hair was like super shiny. Um, it was out of her face, it looked really good. It was long, like her dress was good for her. So that was a good look for Ashley. She's definitely like finding her footing with the fashion.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

I agree. But and I adored, sorry, and I adored the set. I thought like the picture of Ron Island in the back and the little ocean. Yeah, it was cute. It was a very nice touch.

SPEAKER_02 9:27

Yes, definitely. They opened it up. I do have to give it to Andy. He opens it up with the slam pig fight, and I was like, oh MJ, they're going right into it. I was so excited.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

I know. And hold on, I'm trying to find my notes on it. Why can't I find my notes? Anyway, yeah, he goes right into the slam pig, and that instantly started like the fight up all over again. And Kelsey's like, I am not a slam pig. What were her exact words?

SPEAKER_02 10:00

Something like She was just like, is that what do you actually something dump? I know. I was like, why are we continuing down this path of like everybody knows what it means? Like, you even if you don't know exactly what it means, it's like you get the gist of it. Do we really have to like go into the person?

SPEAKER_00 10:18

But he a key question there was like, what really started it? And like and it was honestly over the hair feud, and I couldn't believe it. So that time on the bow.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

But it was but like I feel like Andy's point was that like it wasn't. I mean, they touched on that very briefly. Like, Andy was asking Ashley, like, as an influencer, who was right, and Ashley's point of view was like there wasn't an agreement in place for Rosie to like post for Kelsey, and that Rosie paid for the service, so therefore she wasn't like obligated to do it. So, like, from a technical standpoint, I guess that makes sense. I do still feel, even though I love Rosie now and like she, I still am like super impressed by that fight. I just I do still feel like she went into the season already not liking cut, like they didn't like each other before the season, which they sort of get into at the end. I think that she definitely purposely I do think it was a little bit of a snub not posting for her just because it's like even if you paid for it, like if it's your friend and she's got a business, you guys are gonna be on a show together, like it would be normal to be like, this person did my hair and tag them. Um, and then lastly, I do think Andy agreed with me that Rosie was prepared for battle for the fight. I did write that down. Yeah. Which I I I mean, I'm glad she prepared for battle because that was fucking amazing. But I do think that she was like not planning to be cordial.

SPEAKER_00 11:57

Yeah, like she could have there once she put it out, she's like, I need to show it to you. And he's like, You were planning. She's like, I didn't plan on having a fight. I'm like, you were ready though, in case she brought it up.

SPEAKER_02 12:07

She was definitely ready. Like, she was ready to go. Um, for sure. But I don't blame her for being ready to go either. So the other kind of like interesting thing that they talked about was this basketball coach stuff. So, like that the part about this that I so I did check this out on Reddit. The part of this that I find really interesting is it's like Kelsey really, really believes this happened, and Rosie is emphatic that not only did this not happen, but she's never even met this guy. Like, never even met him. And I'm like, if there was evidence out there, she wouldn't be saying, Oh, I've never even met him.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

Like, she's not would have pulled up the police report already. Already we knew that Dino and Liz were friends before the trailer even aired. And then now we you're telling me out of all of this, we haven't seen any police report where she was apparently in the car with the DUI with the coach that got DUI. Right.

SPEAKER_02 13:10

And she's just challenging them. She's like, pull the she's like, there is no report with me in it. Like, I just feel like she wouldn't be so emphatic about like I've I don't even know who he is if this was in any way true. Like, she's never met him, according to Rosie. Yeah. So there's gotta be nothing out there. Because if she knew there was something out there, I feel like she wouldn't go so far as to be like, I've never even met the guy.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

Wasn't it Joelyn that said, Oh, I knew one of the arresting officers or something that evening, and that's where she got it? But it doesn't matter if this is what he said. He obviously made a mistake if she's not in the police report.

SPEAKER_02 13:48

Oh, that's the thing. If there's there a police report would have been pulled. So yeah, Joelan jumps in and she's just like, apparently he got pulled over for a DUI and you were in the car, and it's in the police report, and Rosie's like, there is no report. And the girls both agreed that they've never seen a report, they just heard this from somebody that they know that works at the precinct or something.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

Yeah, and then Alicia chimes in saying that, or Rosie says it, and then Alicia chimes in agreeing that the person in the car that evening was a student. Yes. And they're like, it would have been a bigger thing. They're like, no, they're trying to protect the identity of the student.

SPEAKER_02 14:24

That's and also I read too that this basketball coach apparently was like super protected as well. Like they did not want this story out there, which makes sense. Yeah, I mean, I don't believe that this is true. I just I just don't feel like she'd go so far to say that she does not even know him.

SPEAKER_00 14:43

Like, yeah, like if you're gonna deny it and like lie about it, having like a little bit of a like truth in there is what's gonna make it more believable instead of just like deny, deny, deny. Brian could probably take a lesson. Brian just, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:00

It's just exactly, but that's the thing. That's the thing, is like that's how different it is. Is like Rosie's literally like, and she's barely even raising her voice. She's like, whatever, there's nothing out there because I've never met him. So like I know that there's nothing, she's she's like doesn't seem nervous that any pictures are going to surface or any texts are going to surface because it doesn't, it seems like she genuinely has never met this guy. I mean, I do sort of wish that his team would just come out and confirm that they do not know each other because he's not like she's a figurehead at this point, and she already like had like this isn't super beneath him. He's a basketball coach out of college. She was like a well-known anchor now. She's on the Real Hospital Rhode Island. She had, I don't know if I heard this on a podcast or if she said this in a confessional, but she had tried to reach out to his team to like deny these rumors and like nobody was getting back to her. And I'm like, why can't they just like confirm that like this did not happen?

SPEAKER_00 16:03

I don't know. Am I I think one of the best parts of the scene though was like Joelin was like, Why would you do it? He's ugly. And I was like, Why does that even matter?

SPEAKER_02 16:11

Well, she Rosie just looks at her and she's like, I didn't do it. She's like, I've never met him. Yeah, Joel's like, I thought he was ugly. And Rosie's like, yeah, I I never hooked up with him.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

So it's like it's a what it was just so out of like uh left field. Is he ugly? I don't know. I don't know who he is. I've never looked at another.

SPEAKER_02 16:32

I looked at the Reddit thread, but I don't I did there wasn't like a name in the thread that I was looking up. Who is the is it bad oh basketball?

SPEAKER_00 16:44

I think it was basketball. Oh, Ed Cooley. Oh, what's Ed Cooley look like?

SPEAKER_02 16:49

Okay, picture of Ed Cooley. I don't believe she hooked up with this guy. No.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

Hold on, I'm looking him up. If I can spell the word cultural. Okay, yeah, he's not good looking.

SPEAKER_03 17:04

Yeah, no. No. Sorry, no.

SPEAKER_02 17:10

Um well he also just looks like he's like decades older than her.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

Yeah, right? And if not, what is he gonna do to help promote her her career? He's a basketball coach, he doesn't work at the news station.

SPEAKER_02 17:21

Yeah, I don't know why Kelsey like thinks this is such like a hot piece of news. And it seems to be like the only thing she has on her. But anyway, um, oh, the other funny part that I found was that Rosie learned the term, she says she learned the term slam pig from one of Alicia's friends.

SPEAKER_00 17:38

Yes, and then Sally the Slama. And I was like, no. Okay. Oh, I died. It was wicked funny, Sally the slam pig. Thank you, Alicia, for reminding me that this term exists.

SPEAKER_02 17:52

Exactly. All right, next topic. We turn to Liz.

SPEAKER_00 17:57

So yeah, we find out unfortunately that Gandji passed away. He was 15, which is like a long life for a cat. Her granddaughter's born, and that her daughter is now engaged and they're looking for a venue. So bad things but good things all at the same time. So that's exciting. Yeah. And then from here it gets messy. Yeah, from here it gets messy. Uh, because Jerry gets brought up because Andy asks about how they were related, and she just goes, Mom's mom wasn't who they thought was so-and-so, and so they get into that, and the kids thing is brought up, and if she ever wanted more kids, and they ask Rula if she regrets her comment. And I think what this was the second episode of the season, I think, where she tells, like, basically, Liz, you didn't birth them, so like you don't understand. And Rula does apologize, she didn't mean it like that. Then this is where it gets into Rula accusing Jerry and Liz of having affairs.

SPEAKER_02 19:05

Well, yeah, so like Andy brings up that confessional that Rula does. Oh, when the Yeah. Yeah. When the cat's away, the mice will play. It was just kind of like that whole conversation in episode two struck me as like they were trying to talk to her about the mistress thing still being relevant. And Rula was just reflecting. She's like, Well, it's different for you because you didn't actually bear his children. And then in her confessional, she's basically and she's in she is, she's insinuating that, like, well, Liz and Jerry have also had infidelity problems, and like they're still together. I mean, like, that was like the gist of it. And she said, was referring to like when Jerry's out on his boat trips, like, Liz goes off and does her thing, and then she's like also trying to claim that Liz once told her that Jerry like does his thing, and Liz is like not having it, and Rula immediately starts kissing ass.

SPEAKER_00 20:07

She's yes, oh, it was so awkward. It was super awkward. And Rula says, Well, you told me that you struggled when Jerry was away, and but nothing was ever confirmed. Yeah, and Liz is like, nothing is confirmed because nothing ever happened.

SPEAKER_02 20:25

But something did happen. Like, I had a conversation. My read of this is they had a conversation at some point, and Liz is like challenging Rula to like come out with it, even though she's giving her like the evil eye.

SPEAKER_00 20:43

Like, I don't think is if if Rula was gonna like even Liz said though, if Rula's gonna call it out on national television and like point the finger at Liz, she needed to be able to articulate what she needed to say, what she was going to say, and what exactly happened. And Rula couldn't really do that with the exception of like muttering out Block Island.

SPEAKER_02 21:08

Yeah, because I think she I think that she was referring to something specific, which is this ridiculous Block Island story, but she was like scared to say it because it happened. But you've already brought it up, so you just need to say it. Oh, yeah, no, I know. I I know. I'm just saying that I think that that's what I don't think she was like speculating or making it up. I think she was thinking specifically of this time that she saw Liz on Block Island. And I do think that Liz kissed this old friend on Labor Day weekend when she and Sherry were like separated or having a hard time or whatever. Rula was clearly there. I think that like that all happened, and I think Rula was like scared shitless to tell that story during the like like I feel like Liz was challenging her, but it was like one of those things that it's like, no, say it, and then see what happens.

SPEAKER_00 21:58

Well, she probably thought Liz was gone like Throw her side the couch across the stage or something after what happened at Capo, but even though she wasn't there. But yeah, so the story is that Liz and Jerry were separated. She went to blow off scene with some girlfriends in Block Island, and she saw a friend that she hadn't seen in like 30 years, and they were dancing and throwing up in the air and all this stuff. I think they kissed.

SPEAKER_02 22:22

A kiss may have happened. And she also wanted to emphasize that it was Labor Day weekend, which I thought was so funny. She was like, it was Labor Day weekend.

unknown 22:30

What does that have to do with anything?

SPEAKER_00 22:32

Because everyone is drunk on Block Island. That's what that means, or something. I was like, okay. But what got me was how Liz says that Brian and Rula called Jerry the next day at six in the morning to rat out Liz. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 22:50

I'm I really am I don't know if that happened. I don't know who I believe there because Liz in this reunion thus far has shown a seriously disturbing level of paranoia. Number one. Number two, why the fuck would they do that? And number three, she's been harboring this information for four years.

SPEAKER_00 23:13

I don't know. We know that Brian likes to call people. He admitted to calling uh Rule, I mean Joel Lynn's husband uh work. You and Jerry are not friends. Like this. Well, if she's so close to Rula that she's vacationing with Rula on Block Island four years ago, how do we know that Jerry and Brian weren't close then?

SPEAKER_02 23:33

I don't know, but I just find it weird that she's like, I've been meaning to call you out on this for four years. I'm like, that's just but like it's the same, like we'll get into this, but it's the same thing with Joelle and how they just spent Mother's Day together, and now she's like, you're the most evil person I've ever met, and you're not my friend. I'm like, so you felt this way about Rula for four years, but on the show you're saying you guys are close and like you have her back and all this stuff, but meanwhile, she's been like holding on to this information about Rula for four fucking years.

SPEAKER_00 24:04

Like it's you think she seems like a blackmailer to you, like if it's not I I think she's very paranoid.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

Like, I think Liz is very paranoid. Like, I don't want to jump ahead too far, but like the setup thing in the car that was fucking wild as hell, and I don't believe that. And I'm just like, you seem like you are concocting things in your mind and then convincing yourself that they're like they're true, yeah. In my head. Like maybe somebody did tell Jerry I don't about this Block Island thing, but I just I don't know if I believe that Rula and Brian calls him together and fills him in on all of this because Rula's right. Why would she do that? They had they have no issues with each other, they've been like tight all season, and like it's just weird to me that Liz is like, Oh, I've been holding on to that piece of information for four years.

SPEAKER_00 25:00

Do you think Rula is gonna supply like the phone records? Because she was like, I'll fucking get phone records, like we'll prove it to you. I don't see that would be crazy.

SPEAKER_02 25:10

Yeah, no, I think that that's insane, and that would be crazy, but I don't, I just don't know if I believe that. I feel like somebody else probably mentioned it to them because Block Island is super small and they probably know everybody there.

SPEAKER_00 25:22

Yeah, that's true, especially considering that's where they got engaged, it's where they got married, their parents go all the time.

SPEAKER_02 25:28

Yeah, it was just it was weird, and this is like one of like three instances during the reunion where Liz came across to me as like crazy. Like, I know it sounds so bad because I really liked her at first, but she's like coming across as just like crazy paranoid and like very like conspiracy theory to me.

SPEAKER_00 25:48

Yeah. I I mean my thing is I could see it going either way, honestly, for this Brian thing, because I see Brian doing something like that because he's kind of a co-op, but like also, you're right. Like, why would you hold on to it for four years to be like, let me call you out now? Like what you were just saving fodder for the reunion? Yes, like it's odd.

SPEAKER_02 26:11

You knew, like exactly. I just I don't get it. Oh my god. Can we just say though, when they do flashes of the next episode, Brian's fucking turquoise jacket is the worst color for him I have ever seen. And I love turquoise, but that is horrible. Horrible.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

Yeah, uh, yeah, I can't. I don't like Rula. Why? Why? Uh I don't know. I don't know. The their whole relationship. You get like so many good glimpses though, on like the cat. I feel like there was more in the glimpses to the next episode and the commercial breaks than we got like half the games. Why couldn't they do more of that filming? Just show me that.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 26:52

Yeah. But I don't know. But so then they start talking about the Liz and Kelsey fight.

unknown 27:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

And this is another thing where like they bring it up, and Liz said that she was struggling with the rumors with it, like her and Dino, so that's really why she burst her outburst at Kelsey happened, and it was really unwarranted towards Kelsey. Yeah, she and she Kelsey again says, like, hey, I hooked up with Dino, like when I was competing for Miss Rhode Island, and now she just ignores them. But I'm like, it's another one of those things where it's like, hmm, like it makes me rethink the Liz bites all over again because is she like how she kept wanting to just prove that her and Dino, and like the paranoia that her and Dino were just friends, and that's why she needed to go out for the water or pier, dog, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 27:50

Right. And in one of Liz's confessionals, like when they asked her, Oh, how does Kelsey know Dino? She's like, hmm, that's a good question. How does Kelsey know Dino? Maybe you should ask Kelsey that. And I'm like, that seems like more of an insinuation than they hooked up one time 10 years ago. Like, I don't know. I'm just like, if the whole entire story is she hooked up with this guy when she was 21 years old, I don't know why anybody would be making a big deal out of that. Like, they've all hooked up with like a million people, it sounds seems so I'm like, why is that such a big deal? And why is she so uncomfortable around him? And it did, it just seemed like Liz was hinting at more, kind of like what you were saying. Like, is she a black male? Like, I don't know, but I'm just like, what does that mean?

SPEAKER_00 28:38

I don't know because I feel like Kelsey did admit that she was seeing Dino for a little bit longer than we thought, but like it was a mistake.

SPEAKER_01 28:46

Right.

SPEAKER_00 28:47

Or something.

SPEAKER_02 28:48

So So, what are the theories out there about Kelsey and Dino? Let's go.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

Well, I thought that the one that we covered before was that they were dating.

SPEAKER_02 28:57

That's like, yeah, the official story is that like they were dating, Dino was jealous and like made her uncomfortable a couple of times. That's like basically it. Um there's theories about like what is it that's more to the story.

SPEAKER_00 29:17

It really just says that Kelsey has said that she grew to hate Dino because he would show up on oh yeah, because he would show up uninvited and try to control who she spoke to after their hookup. So we got like super duper possessive or whatnot. Also, it just occurred to me like watching the news that Dino is 47. And so again, with like the significant age gap. So, and then someone was just saying, like, I'm on a Reddit thread that just says he's basically their her drug dealer. Like his drug dealer. Liz and Kelsey's. Interesting, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:54

I I don't know, I don't know what it is, but it does seem like there's more to that story, and I mean it is like facts that he's at least heavily linked with drugs, so yeah. At this point, yeah, that's true. Interesting. I mean, I imagine in season two we're gonna get into that one a little bit more. Probably, I hope so. Um next topic is Ashley. Ashley had a very easy part one of the reunion for sure.

SPEAKER_00 30:24

Yeah, because she just basically was like, Were you friends with anyone before the show? And how she made friends with Kelsey and um Rosie. So why do I want to say Kelsey every single time for Rosie today? I'm even reading Rosie, but yeah, she wanted to make she met Rosie through like a mutual friend or something, and Rosie's the one that shows up time and time again, plays with her kids, sits on the floor with the kids, like hangs out with her and Jared, like really gets to know them. And she was like, No one outside of filming, like really asks me to do anything. And she said that it's not from like that she wouldn't mind, it's just that like no one asks.

SPEAKER_02 31:07

Yeah, I think that they were all really nice about this. I feel like Kelsey said that on a podcast, but then none of them were like really attacked her. I think they were just saying that like they know that she and Rosie have a good connection, they have a lot in common when they talk about boy bands and stuff. Like, Ashley is very sweet and sincere in person. Kelsey'd been following her for like 10 years, and that like Jo Ellen just said that it is hard because Jared works like a million hours a week and she has young kids, and so she can't, she doesn't have as much help, and it's hard to make friends as like a mom in your 30s, especially like when your husband is like working all the time. So I feel like they definitely like treated that very nicely, like they probably just don't really have a problem with it. Like, I don't think that they really care.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

Um I think they're also involved in whatever they're involved in, and like have so much drama going on in their own lives that like trying to fit Ashley in to cause more just doesn't make any sense right now. And she does have like the young kids and Audrey's. Um and they asked Rosie if they would be mad if she hung out with Kelsey, and she was like, Would you mind? And Rosie was like, You can be friends with other people like yeah, so we'll see if that comes to happen. But I just thought it was interesting that it Kelsey asked, and Ashley asked, like, if it Rosie if it would be okay. That's so awkward.

SPEAKER_02 32:40

That part was awkward. Um, they also did the cry counter for Ashley, and she cried seven times. And Alicia was like eight. Yeah, exactly. And Alicia was like, I was right, I'm a psychic. It was so funny.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

Uh, it was. I feel like there was also crying that we probably didn't even say off camera all the time, so it was probably really stressful for her. Probably. Um, but yeah, so they were somehow they ended up asking. I don't know how we went into this, but like Joelyn's wild time in her 20s.

SPEAKER_02 33:15

Because Andy's just shifting from woman to woman at this point. So now he's like, Joel and let's jump to you. You had a wild time in your 20s, and then like right when he says that, it's like Joelan and Rula instantly going at it. Like Rula, like every time Joelan's mentioned, Rula jumps in with attacking her.

SPEAKER_00 33:34

Yeah, she was like, Rula, he's like, I heard you have like a wild time in your 20s, and Rula goes, she's still doing it. And then she mentions how Rula apparently no, Rula mentions how Joelan apparently got kicked out of college, and Joelyn was like, What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_02 33:50

There's so many baseless rumors in this cast, right? Like there'd be proof of these things.

SPEAKER_00 33:58

Yeah, it's crazy, it's like, how do you know? And then she was like, Oh, well, the high school thing. And um, Joel and was like, I've been open about going to different high schools this whole season.

SPEAKER_02 34:07

That was like a major part of her storyline. She was like, Yeah, I know. I talked about that like voluntarily, and like her mom's like not speaking to her now because yeah, she talked about it on camera, which is sad that they're like on the outs over the show because I feel like they did have a little bit of a breakthrough, but I do I do know this family dynamic, and I just don't think I do think there are some parents that are just so traditional and do not want issues talked about, they really just want to like leave the past in the past. And I feel like her mom is like one of those people. Like she's like, we don't need to address this or talk about this, you know.

SPEAKER_00 34:50

Her mom doesn't want to talk about the what happened with everything anyway, either.

SPEAKER_02 34:54

So yeah, yeah, which is it's sad though, because unfortunately, it's like maybe it's the way things used to be done, but it just doesn't that's just not healthy, and like it's not bad on your kid to want to be like, uh, I'm not over it, and I do want to go to therapy and talk about it. But there are a lot of like traditional, there's true, there's people that are traditional in like every background, but there are a lot of like traditional Italians that will not go to therapy, like will not ever go. Yeah, I don't know. That's upsetting, but hopefully they can reconcile. I do want to touch on one thing. I'm like, what the fuck? So Gary and Joellen's sister have never kissed, never dated. He just They touched her boobs. How did he touch her boobs, but they've never kissed? Was he just like what does that even look like? Do you know what I mean? Like they weren't making out, he just grabbed her boobs? Like, what does that mean?

SPEAKER_00 35:55

I have no idea. I don't get it.

SPEAKER_03 35:59

I don't understand how that happens.

SPEAKER_00 36:01

Another in one of the episodes in the conventional that Joelyn does mention, like, oh, I know that he touched her boobs or whatever. I thought she meant they like were making it on seventh grade. Yeah, right. So now I'm just confused, or is she just like telling it like that it it she's trying to tell herself it didn't actually happen?

SPEAKER_02 36:24

No, because why would that be the part that you cock to? Like she she specifically says very specifically they've never dated, they've never even kissed. He just touched her boobs once in seventh grade. I'm like, what's the context?

SPEAKER_00 36:39

Maybe it was like truth or dare, right? Or seven minutes in heaven or something.

SPEAKER_02 36:44

Seven minutes in heaven, did you make out?

SPEAKER_00 36:46

Who knows? Maybe they decided they didn't want to make out in the closet.

SPEAKER_02 36:50

I'm going with like seventh grade drug like no, no, I just feel like I don't I don't see it unless they were making out. I'm just confused. I'm confused. I mean, we don't need to know more. They were 12, apparently, but still I'm like, like not getting that part of things.

SPEAKER_00 37:12

Um, I like how Andy pulled the cast though to see if they thought that Joelyn was a swinger. And no one like fully raised their hand, but like you could almost see it like go up. I feel like like I felt like if we panned out someone's hand would have been like this. And Joelyn said that her neighbor was the person to break it to her about being a swinger, and she was like, but I don't know where it came from. And at this point, though, like I'm convinced it's true.

SPEAKER_02 37:39

I think that she's definitely done it before. I mean, she's talked about things that she's done. I just don't know if she's done that with Gary. I mean, maybe she has, but like she talked about the tanning salon thing where she was sleeping with the owner and his wife.

unknown 37:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:53

She talked about the boat. Like they went over the thing that happened on the boat, which was multiple participants. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know if she was with Gary during these things. She maybe she was because they have been together since they were young. I don't think I I don't I would say they've probably had all of those times before they had kids. Yeah, that would make sense. That's probably what it is. And like it obviously doesn't bother either one of them. So what's the story? Like they seem they seem fine.

SPEAKER_00 38:27

Yeah, they seem pretty committed compared to some of the others, so I yeah, I'm just like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 38:34

That's not really like big news to me. I mean, it would be interesting if they were still doing that, but I'm still kind of like, I feel like she admitted to a bunch of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 38:44

Yeah, that's true. She seems a very open book compared to some of the other ladies.

SPEAKER_02 38:48

So yeah, like I don't see this as like a deep dark secret like some of the other stuff that we've been hearing.

SPEAKER_00 38:55

Yeah, yeah. I thought this I felt bad though for Joelin because she then she reveals that she got laid off from her position, but now she's just gonna focus on being a stay-at-home mom.

SPEAKER_02 39:07

Okay, so what do you think about this? Do you think she got laid off because of the Brian complaints? Like, what are your thoughts?

SPEAKER_00 39:16

No, I don't think the Brian complaints, I'm sure I'm sure they didn't help, but from how everything has seemed, I know that like this happened last summer, but it doesn't seem like she's been unemployed through the whole season. Like she I feel like she was working through the whole season. But she didn't go to that conference, yeah. So I and the Brian thing, if they played everything in order, the Brian thing happened before the conference. So I don't think the Brian thing had anything to do with it. It may have been something to help when they were trying to decide who to cut, but I don't think she was cut specifically because of the Brian thing. I think there was something else.

SPEAKER_02 40:01

I agree with you because when I thought about it, I was like, that timing doesn't entirely make sense. I do think that the Brian thing definitely happened because he admitted to it. Like we already know what happened. They had a whole conversation about it, but I don't think it had anything to do with this layoff.

SPEAKER_00 40:17

Um, I don't think so either. And even Joelyn, as much as she hates like Rulan Bryan, was like willing to even say she wasn't sure if it did anything. So she was being an adult about it. But um, after this, then we go back into Alicia and her homelessness. Is this before or after the break?

SPEAKER_02 40:41

Because I have a note that they did they did a break.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

Oh wait, yep, they did do a break. I skipped that part. So the break, yes.

SPEAKER_02 40:49

Okay, the break starts off really cringy to me because they break, and then Rula turns to Andy and she's like, Andy, I have Brian's scheduled surgeries all day. The day that, like, she's referring to the day that this supposed video came out with the mistress. So, like, they haven't even discussed this yet. And she's like, Andy, I have Brian's scheduled surgeries all day, uh like the day of the video. And Andy just goes, Okay, well, we're taking a break now, and he walks away. And I was like, That was so awkward.

SPEAKER_00 41:17

It was so awkward, and she looked, she seemed like, what the fuck? Like, defeated at like that moment. But I mean, she is so happy on like the timestamp on the video being fudged, but at the same time, Brian owns his practice. You're telling me he couldn't just change the fucking calendar.

SPEAKER_02 41:37

That is the weakest piece of evidence, and also I still am like it's embarrassing that you are defending this regardless of the timing. Like, I know her whole point is maybe like, well, this happened earlier than you're saying, but when you really sit down and think about it, you're like, you're defending him when there's a video of him embracing this brawless woman in your house with this long sexual embrace, and you're sitting there talking about like, oh, well, it was actually happening on a different day. It's like, who fucking cares? Like, who cares? This is so embarrassing. She was in your house. There's a chapter in your house.

SPEAKER_00 42:18

There's the video as well as like some I saw on Instagram. So, like, take it with a rain of salt, but like a photo of the mistress like in the backyard. Exactly, exactly. That's why it drives me crazy.

SPEAKER_02 42:30

I'm just like, uh, first of all, I don't believe I do believe Brian gave her some fudge schedule 100%. But second of all, to me, I'm just like, I really don't care. What I care about is the fact that he's letting this woman come over and spend time in your home where your kids are. That's what you should be concerned about. Not like, oh, well, he actually had surgeries on that particular day. It's like, really?

SPEAKER_00 42:50

The video still exist, whether they fudge the timestamp or not. Like, he still got arrested for tracking you after the season was over. It's so embarrassing, it's just so embarrassing on her part.

SPEAKER_02 43:01

It's like, you know what? Let him defend himself. Like, stop so emphatically defending him and just be like, she could literally just say, I know that this happened. We've chosen to work through it, and we're staying together, and I'm dealing with it on my own. And then let him answer all these questions. Instead, she's just like defending everything, and it's like, it's so embarrassing that you're defending this. It really is. Meanwhile, every single time he's on camera, he just says nothing.

SPEAKER_00 43:35

Yeah, he's so oh, he's just such a slug. He drives me nuts.

SPEAKER_02 43:40

He's also just so shiny. Like, I just his skin, his face just looks like right? It looks very like like a like blown up or something. Like, I don't know. I just am so confused by the appearance.

SPEAKER_00 43:56

It's this mix of like steroids, GLP ones, killer.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Stuff that he microdoses.

SPEAKER_00 44:02

Yeah, all the stuff he microdoses. There was like five different things. Maybe it just gets sweaty. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. So after that awkward break, then we really do get back into Alicia and Liz's fight and the homelessness.

SPEAKER_02 44:17

I didn't ever want to discuss this again.

SPEAKER_00 44:19

Oh my God. It's so crazy to me because Liz does apologize to Alicia, right? Like this is this pisses me off. So she apologizes. Alicia says she accepts Liz's apologies, but wants Liz to know that like she wasn't attacking Liz at that moment. She just had a lot of emotion, like regarding the subject. Yes. And then Liz comes out saying that she felt ambushed in the car. It ruined her whole apology.

SPEAKER_02 44:59

Like her apology at the beginning was seemed heartfelt and sincere. And she totally ruined it. Like it was so it did seem extremely sincere. I was like, oh my God, thank God she's just apologizing for this. Like we can just move on. She made what she said made sense as far as like when I said that, this is what I was trying to do. But I like she completely apologized and like it was good. And then yeah, Alicia just says she accepts it. She wasn't attacking her. She was like, I was just crying. I could honestly just like barely breathe. And then Liz goes into her crazy conspiracy. Her crazy conspiracy about the voice memos and the fact that this was planned three days prior. And I'm like, girls are literally looking at her like she's crazy. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? We never know.

SPEAKER_00 45:53

Liz said that there are voice memos, but they're not about trying to set Liz up for a scene in the car and that they did speak, but it had nothing to do with like ambushing her and to cause her to have this vicious snap in the car just for TV.

SPEAKER_02 46:15

Why the fuck would they tell her in advance that they were planning to ambush her?

SPEAKER_00 46:21

It doesn't make any sense. The whole nothing, nothing, no part of this made any sense. No, it didn't make sense.

SPEAKER_02 46:31

Literally, they looked like they were just like so like had no idea what she was even like referring to. And I just I'm so this is another instance where I'm just like, I really liked her, I really like the apology. I feel like they do have all this history, they are close, I want them to be friends. And then she follows it up with this crazy conspiracy theory. I just do not understand.

SPEAKER_00 46:54

I don't get it either. I don't understand how she formed that the this whole thing was planned from the get-go, and it was going to be an ambush in the car all the way down to Joelyn touching her arm, Papa. Like, I don't get it.

SPEAKER_02 47:12

I think she sits with things alone and stews on them, and then convinces herself that she is right. Like, I think she's one of those people that like replaced stuff in her mind, replace stuff in her mind, comes up with the theory because she doesn't want to take full accountability, and then convinces herself that the theory is true. Because she was like infernally convinced that these voice memos of the of the fact that they were gonna ambush her exist, which makes absolutely zero sense. Like, if people were gonna set you up, they would not tell you that that's what they were planning to do. And I'm like, that makes no sense at all. But she was so convinced, she's like, Yeah, I have your voice memos. And they're like, like, first of all, if though if the those things were said in the voice memos, it's like, okay, do you have the memos?

SPEAKER_00 48:03

Right? I know that Alicia likes a voice memo because we've gotten a voice memo from Alicia, but I don't think Alicia is gonna sit there and be like, So I'm gonna bring up the fact that I was homeless again just to piss Liz off Liz off in the car when they're close friends.

SPEAKER_02 48:18

It was like I just think that that was crazy. Like, she sounded absolutely insane when she was talking about that. She did, she did. I was like, oh my god. So then it's like Liz just keeps calling Jo Ellen the number one investigator and like the biggest psychopath on the planet, and the devil, and just really is like fucking going in on her.

SPEAKER_00 48:45

Yeah, and she's like, You purposely touched me because you know that I don't like this and I don't like that. And Joel's like, I legit was just trying to make it so you don't look crazy. Right, which is in which case, too late.

SPEAKER_02 49:00

Yeah, but that is exactly that's how it came across to me of exactly what she was trying to do. She's trying to get her to calm down on camera because she was acting like a psychopath.

SPEAKER_00 49:08

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I hate it when people tell me to calm down and I'm like pissed off because like the last thing I want to be told is to like calm down because then it gets me even more mad. But I don't think I would lash out the way I did just because like a friend touched my arm. And I don't think I would go around telling them that they're psycho.

SPEAKER_02 49:28

That's what I'm saying. Like, I know that some people react that way, like they don't want to be told to calm down like they need their space, and she can just say that. I don't think that means that Joel, I don't know how that equates to Joelyn being the psycho.

SPEAKER_00 49:41

I don't know either. It it was very weird and to hear Joel and be like, I like because Liz's whole thing was like, I said what I said to protect Alicia and to protect her family, and then Joelyn says, I was trying to protect you, and Liz is like, no, not even close. I'm like, that's literally the same thing. Yeah, it is. Yeah, like, and then uh like Kelsey uh says to Liz that she doesn't think that Liz was like it. You see, everyone, this is where we get to like the eggshell things, like at Rail Explorers, like they said, where like around Liz, you kind of do need to walk around on eggshells. No one will admit it, and then I guess thanks, Rosie, for trying to bring it up and make it awkward, like at the thing. But Kelsey was like, I'm pretty sure ambushing you was like not how they meant for this to go.

SPEAKER_02 50:30

Right.

SPEAKER_00 50:31

So this is even Kelsey's like, What are you talking? And they're friends, right?

SPEAKER_02 50:36

This is what this is where I started to question the existence of these like voice memos that where they apparently said this, because then they break for lunch, and Kelsey goes into Liz's dressing room to talk to her, and she's like, I don't think that that's how Alicia meant that to go at all. And Liz just goes, I knew what I was walking into, it felt like an ambush. So, does that mean she's making up the voice memos? Because that's different from saying they told me three days ago that they were gonna do this to me. She said, I knew what I was walking into, it felt like an ambush. I'm like, so was it that they told you three days prior that they were definitely doing this and you voluntarily got in the car with them? Or was it you this is your theory now, and that's how you felt?

SPEAKER_00 51:24

Because we're like was it like, oh, I thought they were gonna bring it up and I felt like it was gonna become an ambush. Like so I was already on edge.

SPEAKER_02 51:33

If that were me and I had those voice memos and like them calling me and telling me they were gonna like confront me, I would have sat in the dressing room with Kelsey and played them. Like, do you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm just like, that is a di saying that is different than you being on stage and saying you have like this proof that they told you three days ago they were gonna do this.

SPEAKER_00 51:56

Like that's the thing. Everyone keeps talking about proof, and the only person who brought any proof was Rula, and she got pushed off stage by Andy Regarding. That was so I kind of felt bad for her. Me too. I was like, well, like as Joelyn said, she's only a part-time housewife.

SPEAKER_02 52:12

I don't so Joel and was going at her over that, but you have to admit that the majority of the season was centered around Rola's trauma. Like she brought a lot of drama for a person that was barely there, so it is true.

SPEAKER_00 52:23

And when Joe when Rola did show up, I enjoyed having her on my screen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:28

Like I like, yeah, no, I think she does bring a lot to the show. I wish she was on it more. I feel like the reason she's not on it more is because of him.

SPEAKER_00 52:36

I know. True, true. She's too busy. I don't know. Oh, but side note of like this little break. Like I said, when we got on the things, Alicia goes into Joelin's room and Joelan's just drinking hot water. Alicia goes, Oh, I love hot water.

SPEAKER_02 52:50

Why isn't there any tea in there? I don't know, but I guess she's just straight hot water. Like, why? I have no idea. I don't know. I did think it was funny though that they were talking about Rula as the new cast member.

SPEAKER_00 53:06

Yeah, right. I know. Turner knows the new cast member. Oh, and then Kelsey also tells Liz to give Alicia a sash that says not homeless.

SPEAKER_03 53:17

Like I would be happy if I never hear that word again.

SPEAKER_00 53:21

I read a whole article where someone defeated like it is a term for like it is a type of homelessness. It's like a true thing. It is a type of homelessness, and she broke it down. It was like a whole informational article, and she broke it down by like the amount of families in Rhode Island that are unhoused.

SPEAKER_02 53:42

That's what we were saying on our last it's a spectrum, it's not just equals you are sleeping on the street. There's a whole variety of situations that it could be. I mean, there are some homeless people that you see on the street that sometimes their families let them stay and sometimes they don't, depending on the situation.

SPEAKER_00 53:59

So, like, but she broke it down by like statistics and everything. So, like, Liz can get off her fucking high horse about this.

SPEAKER_02 54:08

Just stop. Um, yeah. I'm glad we talked about the last time because you and I both did say that that that was like yeah, it's being unhoused, and there's like a whole huge variety of situations that that could be. But we also have another awkward moment with Rula. When we get back on the couch, like the crew asks Rula to move closer to Liz, and Rula goes, Oh, as long as she promises not to swing on me, and Liz is like, Oh.

SPEAKER_00 54:36

Rula just trying to make jokes this whole time. And I feel like Rula tried to like do her best, and she was just getting shot down and attacked the whole time.

SPEAKER_02 54:48

I just, yeah, like that was so awkward because I feel like, like, yeah, Liz does that big scoff, and Rula just kind of laughs it off, and I was like, Liz wasn't kidding. She was like being super serious, and then she just looks like crazy furious about this whole conversation, and I'm like, ooh.

SPEAKER_00 55:05

I know, because then they get back, and the conversation can goes back to this same conversation. Like, we had the little like tidbits, and then we go back to the conversation. Liz goes back to saying Joelyn was on board with trying to make it a setup, and Alicia's just this is the first time, like, well, I mean, Alicia gets mad sometimes, like she got a little angry in the car and she got mad at rail ex floors, but like she was like, was not trying to attack you, like you need to stop. And to me, it did not look like Alicia was trying to attack her the whole time. Alicia was just trying to explain it.

SPEAKER_02 55:42

No, and yeah, this part I was super proud of Alicia because she like shuts Liz up.

SPEAKER_00 55:51

Yeah, well then at the very end, then Alicia uh then Liz calls Alicia crazy.

SPEAKER_02 55:57

Yeah, well, she says she Alicia says, um, you're not that great, get over yourself. If this was a setup, it would be a lot better than that. And Liz just like does not respond. And I was like, oh shit, like she's like really. I like Alicia because I feel like, yes, she is very silly, but when she has to, when she feels like she has to step in and say something, like she does. She just picks and chooses her spots, which is she does.

SPEAKER_00 56:27

She doesn't like randomly just try and in to Joelyn. Joelyn and Rosie both interject all the time, and Alicia is just like very calculating. Like, I feel like she played portrays like silly and kind of ditzy, but she's I feel like she's anything but you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 56:44

Like, yeah, yeah, I totally agree. And I like really like that because you don't need to get involved, like, just because you know something doesn't mean you need to get involved in every little thing. But when she feels really strongly about something, like she will. Because the girls were kind of insinuating earlier in the season that Liz just like Alicia has this blind loyalty to Liz, and she's like, No, not if she's treating me like that, I don't.

SPEAKER_00 57:05

And then this came out, like Liz said this, and I was like, What the fuck? She was like, Alicia has no evil intent or a bad heart, but Joelan does, and yet I'm like, What? You were just telling Alicia, like, off.

SPEAKER_02 57:21

Exactly. And then also she acknowledges that she indeed did get physical. And she's like, Yeah, I did do that, like as far as pulling her hair and like kicking the chair out and stuff, but she's not sorry about it. And I'm like, You do realize that you look crazy. Like, you have a whole scene where you meet up with Jo Ellen and she tells you, like, this is what you did to me and Capo. Like, are you sorry for that? And she's basically tells her she's like the devil for making that up, and like she is accusing Jo Ellen of totally making up a story to make her look bad on TV. Meanwhile, it's on camera, she sees it on camera, she admits that she does it, and then she's just like, Well, I'm not sorry about it. And Joel and still like the most evil person in the world. And I'm like, Oh my god, like she's crazy, it's completely crazy. The part that is baffling me is this Mother's Day situation. So, like, when you think about the timing, all of this stuff happened in August of 2025. They filmed the reunion a few weeks after Mother's Day, so in what May or May. May so May of 2026. So, two weeks prior to the reunion, Liz and Joelan were hanging out. Why would she be hanging out with Joelan if she has so much fucking hate for her? And then if they're not friends, like Liz is like, I don't know where this narrative is coming from that you and I are close friends. And Joelan's like, we were just hanging out two weeks ago, which Liz doesn't even deny. And I'm like, why that makes no fucking sense.

SPEAKER_00 58:59

Why would you hang out with another mom on Mother's Day when you're a mom and then you're not friends?

SPEAKER_02 59:08

Like, like, not friends, and she's but she's like aggressively like they're not friends. I hate you.

SPEAKER_00 59:15

Like that's you know, and she's like, oh well, and then Liz tries to play it like, oh well, you weren't having like a good Mother's Day, and she was like, I was having a great day with Gary and the kids, but you invited me to hang out, and it was Mother's Day, so like it makes no sense.

SPEAKER_02 59:35

And then when was Housewives Night at Fenway? When did we go to that?

SPEAKER_00 59:39

Sure, April. April, I think. So it would have been before Mother's Day.

SPEAKER_02 59:44

Yeah, because you know how we were questioning, like, oh, well, Joel and Liz were like standing together during pictures. Now that sort of makes sense to me because at that point Joel's thinking that they're still friends.

SPEAKER_00 59:55

Yeah, yeah, that's true. I'm trying to look at my post when I we put it up. Yeah, April in the end of April is when we went to Housewives Night.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:04

Okay, so this is all like in the same time frame, which now makes because we were like, oh, they had this huge fight, they they're not friends anymore. Why were they together at Housewives Night? Well, they were together at Housewives Night because in Joelan's mind, they're over the fight and they're friends again. But to Liz Tally, like she hates her. And I'm like, this makes no like I I just there's something like with her memory, her recall of it. Like, I don't know, but it's very that story is very strange to me. Like they were hanging out one-on-one two weeks before the reunion, and Liz is like calling her like the most evil person on the planet.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:45

Yeah, it's very strange. I have no idea. Super strange.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:50

I just I don't understand.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:52

And then Andy's like, This isn't the first time you and Joel and have fought, and apparently they got into a massive fight over a snowsuit because Joel and offered to clean it.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:03

Because it smelled like cigarette smoke, and Les got super offended.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:06

Which like I mean please, we know you smoke, you smoke like a chimney.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:12

Yeah, and she's like open about that. So I'm like, it's not surprising to me that the snowsuit will smell like smoke.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:18

And she's like, but I've never smoked in it. It doesn't matter. If you are a smoker, it doesn't matter if you smoked in it or not, if it has been in your house, it will smell like cigarette smoke. That's true, because I yeah, that's true. It's true. Like my mom smoked pack a day. I smelled like cigarettes, and I wasn't smoking them.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:36

It's a whole money. Like it sit it sits in your clothes. Like it's like if you go to like a hookah bar and you like you take your jacket off, even if it's just hanging somewhere when you take like it's you still have to get a dry cleaned after. I don't know. I don't think I'm also like, why would you get into such a huge fight? If someone offered to dry clean my coat, I'd be like, yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:57

Oh, okay, cool. Thank you. Like, I'm not gonna say no. Why would I say no? It's like, okay, so you fought years ago about a smoky snow suit. And it was so big that it like tarnished, it put a tarnish on your relationship.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:12

I think so. That's so stupid. Like, if I offended by that, I'd be like rude, but I wouldn't like vote past that. Like, I'm like, I don't know why this has caused like a fight.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:24

I don't know either. It's so weird. But anyway, then we go. We cut from the Liz and Joel and fight. Annie asks Alicia and Liz like where they stand now. And Alicia's like, I'll always love Liz. They're in a good place. And Liz is like, there's always laughs with Alicia, and she says she loves Alicia and they are good. But I don't know if they seemed good on stage, or if it's just like, hey, we've been friends for so long, we're gonna keep up appearances, our families are intertwined.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:56

I think it's the families are intertwined thing. I think they don't want to upset all of that. Uh-oh. Yeah. Yeah. Do like I do want to talk about this. I don't even know how he segued back into it, but like he ends up segueing back to Rosie and Kelsey at the end, which was kind of like out of place, but he was like talking about the click and like how Rosie had said that they're all in a click and like she's not in it. And this is one thing that kind of stressed, like, apparently there was a group chat before filming that was made specifically to talk shit about Rosie, which the girls acknowledged like that existed. And the only thing I want to know is like Alicia wasn't in on this group chat, right? Because that doesn't sound like Alicia.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:45

It doesn't sound like it either. I think it was like Liz, Kelsey, and Joelyn. Because they're the clique from Cranston. So that was my understanding. Is that you've got the three ladies from Cranston, and they were the ones that made this group chat.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:02

I mean, I know Alicia was referenced as a part of the click, but I don't think she was in the group chat, from what I could tell from the conversation.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:09

I yeah, that's not that's not yeah, that's not how it seemed to me. It was like she was like, they they are very clicky, and she was like, I like everybody, and it's why they call me the flip-flopper.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:20

Right. Yeah. So I was happy that Alicia wasn't a part of that because I was like, ooh, that's mean. Like my take on that is like, it is true that everybody does gossip, but there's a difference between like having a friend over and just having like a little chat versus like creating a group chat where you're like writing a bunch of shit about somebody and like that's the purpose of the group chat.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:45

I feel like if I found out they had a group chat about me, I don't know if I could stand even be around them.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:51

It's definitely shitty, like that's like different than like you know, you and I having a glass of wine and like making a couple jokes about something. You know what I mean? Like, I'm like, that's okay. That's too far. I feel like that's too far. I would not do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:03

Yeah, say like it would be too much, but as like as what Rosie said, they have blind loyalty to each other because of that click, and then somehow it goes back into Kelsey's compliment at the dinner at the mansion, which was like so back in and not a compliment. And she was like, Oh, I guess I like when I go back and watch it, like there was an attitude and it was a little off. I'm like, It wasn't nice. She was like to watch it one more time.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:31

She's like, You were being genuine for once. It's like, what? Like, that wasn't a compliment at all. And it's true, like that's why I did love the Kelsey and Rosie fight so much, because whenever they were with the group, Kelsey got backed by like three people. And so even though she doesn't really have a lot of good points and like isn't great in an argument, they all backed her, and Rosie like backed down. But when they're one on one, like Rosie definitely rips them apart.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:05

Yeah. And then to even bring it in, I forgot about this part. Can't believe I almost skipped it. But like how Rosie even accuses like Joelyn of trying to like make fun of Road Trippin' with like her social media posts, and Joelyn tries to blame it on her social media girl.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:24

She created the videos though. It's like those are videos with you in it. Like you're for.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:29

Like it didn't make any sense. I'm like, okay, so your social media, let's say you do have a so like your social media girl told you to do it and then you did it. I don't get it. Also, I feel like there'd be a way to make a spin-off of road tripping and be funny. It just happens because like Joelin and Rosie don't get along that it falls flat. It's like the whole Kelsey thing, it could be funny if in a different context, and she wasn't a bitch.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:57

I yeah, I didn't find it funny at all. Um I don't really get it.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:03

But yeah, so they do that, and then Rula's like, of course, Joelyn did that. She always does stuff just like that. And then this is where we get Joelyn's comment to Rula about only being in three episodes, and then Rula calls Joelyn a slut. I didn't even know people still use that word, and it got flung across the stage like three more times.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:27

And Joel's like your husband's a slut, which is.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:31

Yeah, true. And then I just thought like this was crazy because then Rula's like, Joelyn, you sleep with doctors, which like fill me in. Is this where we get the swinger thing? And then she calls Joelyn, and this is why you said probably to watch the unfiltered version, calls Joelyn a fucking whore.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:51

Yeah, she's like very convinced that Joelyn has this like raging sex life still.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:57

I know. It makes me wonder because they were close until weren't they like close until like the Brian thing like all surfaced, and then Joelyn just happened to like get all these like things about the mistress.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:12

I don't think so. I don't think that they were close.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:14

Oh, but yeah, so that's like the end that we literally end on like Joelan getting called a whore and talking about doctors, and then we get to meet the guy the guys come out next week.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:27

I'm just curious to know how Brian's going to respond to all this because he's gonna get so much backlash.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:35

Well, there was that the like preview of the next episode, and they're like, Brian, you just need to come clean, you just need to tell her, and I think it's about him giving part of his practice to the mistress, which is what that whole lawsuit is going over get like about now that we've talked about briefly.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:55

Was that a bribe to her to stop talking? Because why would he do that?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:00

Uh, I don't know, but he did have her sign the NDA and then she broke the NDA.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:05

Yeah, she's online now saying that this had been going on for two and a half years.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:10

I I don't think it stopped. I think he just told Joellen it stopped.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:14

I don't you mean Rilla? Yeah. No, sorry. I don't think it stopped at all. And I don't think he put up much of an argument saying that it stopped.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:22

No. And I feel like this is why the guys are like, can you just be honest finally? So I wonder if like we find something else new out, but I feel like there would have been a leak.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:33

I think that this I believe that this is uh continuing to be an ongoing situation, and Rula knows. I think she's just very embarrassed by it and is trying to make it like trying to sugarcoat it by like saying she has all this evidence that like it did stop and it's not going on anymore. But I think she very well knows that it it is. I mean, when they wrote the polo match, you could tell she knew it'd be yeah, it was so the polo match was so awkward. Yeah, like I just think she just doesn't want it out there that she's allowing it to continue. That's what I think I mean, I don't know, but that's like my impression of what's happening. Yeah, I agree. I mean, she knows this woman has been in her home with like where she lives with her fucking kids. And she's like focusing harping on a date.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:36

Like I just think it's gonna be interesting because it's like so funny, or not funny, but she brings her the schedule, then he's gonna come out, and I'm almost I'm 99% sure he's gonna come out and admit to the practice thing, but then they're definitely gonna bring up the tracker because they've already like it's it's gonna get messy. Yeah. Maybe he bought her a nose job to keep her around.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:05

I still get the I the tracker thing is confusing to me, like what he's thinking he's gonna get out of that.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:14

Yeah, I don't know. Make sure, like she said, make sure she doesn't like drive by the mistress's house or something. But can we talk about like Alicia's comment though about it at the very beginning about how like the she looks so different with her nose that must be good for Brian because it's like sleeping with a different woman? No, I didn't hear that. You didn't? It was in the dressing room, and she goes and they're like, What do you think about her? Like, I think she's talking at she and she's like, Oh, or Rosie, and she was like, Oh, the nose job, she looks so great or whatever. Thought she had a facelift. She's like, turns out it's a nose job, but it must be good for Brian because he must think it's like sleeping with a different woman. So I don't know, it'll be interesting to see the next episode. A weird guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:00

I am just don't understand. He's not attractive, he's not charismatic. There's no I'm I'm just like confused. He's low-con low-key kind of a creep. He's creep, yeah, he's creepy. He isn't financially dependent on him. Like, I I don't get it. I don't get it. And also, I just I'm I don't buy the kids' excuse at all. I'm sorry, and I'm sorry for anybody that's offended by that, but like, uh, is it a good thing that your kids are are gonna like see all of this someday? No.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:39

Like, let's say you try and shelter your kids from this, like their friends are the friends or whatever, like they've already said a thousand times or where is a small town, like kids are mean, kids are gonna hear stuff that their parents say.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:51

Also, it's like you're so naive if you think your kids haven't already picked up on the fact that your relationship is like totally down the tubes. Like, they know. Kids know, like it's just absurd. The whole thing is absurd. I'm I'm very confused as to why she's accepting this, and I just don't get it. And I don't know why she's not just letting him explain himself.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:12

Yeah, I don't know, it's very strange, but they're trying, I feel like they're trying to keep things private, but not keep it private at the same time. But I think that was really that's the that's reunion part one. I appreciate you guys listening to it, and we will catch up with you next week on reunion part two. Bye. Bye.